Imagine how much better this interview might have gone if Mark Butler and Kevin Rudd were talking about more ambitious emissions reductions and the need for action on the greatest moral issue of our time? Caving in to Abbott and the business lobby and talking about the need to change policy to relieve cost of living pressures has done the ALP no good at all. Will be interesting to see how efforts at 'product differentiation' from the Greens pan out. But probably not really a good idea either politically. And no good at all for emergency climate action.